Thought Leadership Interview #10: “Bridging” the Gap Between Sales and Marketing with Trish Bertuzzi

Here’s another great interview … and I really like this one. The interview is with Trish Bertuzzi, who I met on Twitter via @damphoux. She is the co-founder, CEO and chief strategist of The Bridge Group Inc., which helps technology companies build highly successful inside sales teams. She has 20 years of B2B technology sales leadership and has worked with over 100 clients, so she has earned her chops.

One way you can verify her B2B sales and marketing credentials is to check out the surveys she creates at The Bridge Group. I just got through reading their “2009 Lead Generation Metrics & Compensation” report and have started downloading many others. Read this interview and then check out her strategic reports; they are extremely insightful.

As Funnelholic fans know, I’ll tell everyone who will listen the importance of building and maintaining a lead development/qualification process. This interview lived up to expectations with some really helpful information on what it takes to be successful with this process.

1. In your opinion, why should B2B organizations have a lead-qualification function?

First, to make sure we are on the same page, we need to define what we mean by “lead qualification.” Just like the phrase “inside sales,” lead qualification or lead development can mean different things to different organizations. Lately the role has expanded significantly and now encompasses the front end of the sales process from account research and account mapping through preliminary needs analysis and vision creation. The days of calling a prospect and asking the BANT questions are far behind us!

So, getting back to your question, B2B organizations should have this function because it does focus on the front end of the sales process. Your sales organization is fabulous at the back end of the sales process and, no matter what you do, that is where it will spend its time. Assigning resources to own the front end will ensure that you have someone who owns your pipeline and all the associated metrics that come along with that responsibility.

2. When is the appropriate time for an organization to begin to build their lead-qualification function?

Stole this right from our report …

The lead-generation model is typically implemented when:

  • The company has moved beyond the start-up phase. It is then able to invest in an organization that is focused on creating pipeline via both inbound inquiry conversion and outbound calling.
  • The company is established enough that marketing generates a consistent pipeline of inquiries to be qualified. It also has sales-distribution channels that are focused on opportunities further along in the sales process, which mandates that lead generation not only creates leads but also nurtures them till they are ready for sales intervention.
  • The company is selling to the innovator through early majority technology buyer. These buyers need to be educated and require more touches by both sales and marketing. Lead generation is a low cost, yet effective, way to accomplish this goal via a combination of phone conversations and various marketing interactions.

3. Said differently, is there an organization that wouldn’t need a lead-qualification function?

Yes and no. “Wouldn’t need” is a very strong answer. I might phrase it as “may not receive the full benefit of” a lead-generation function. There are several situations where this might be true and they are at opposite ends of the selling spectrum.

If you are selling enterprise solutions into enterprise accounts where your entree into the organization is at the “C” level suite only, you should consider outsourcing an appointment- or meeting-setting function. What you don’t want or need is someone creating a first impression with your prospect that does not have the skills to interact with them as a peer. You only have one chance to make a first impression, and you may want to retain that right for your sales executives. Typically this sales model has few “leads,” so staying current with them is not a problem.

On the opposite end of the spectrum is an organization that is using inside sales as its primary distribution model and is selling a commodity product or service. This model typically has a process in place that has them converting a large number of inbound leads or downloads/demos into sales opportunities. If you have integrated a process that separates the wheat from the chaff, you can bypass the lead-generation function and give them straight to your sales organization. In this instance, you do not want to put a filter between the lead and the sales rep. But, and let me make this clear, a critical success factor is that automated filter in place to ensure that your sales reps are only working on high probability leads.

4. What are the key components for creating a successful lead-qualification organization?

Stolen from this report

Clearly define the role and responsibilities. We are beginning to see the lead-qualification function become the “catch all” group for too many activities. We recommend that you:

  • Select the top two or three primary functions you want the LGR to focus on.- and -
  • Develop metrics for measuring success and compensation plans based on those functions.

What you don’t want to do is create a group that is jack-of-all-trades and master of none.

Getting a group up to speed requires a significant investment. It takes one full fiscal quarter to get a rep fully ramped!

Here are three things you can do:

  • Provide sales training, not product training. Prospects really don’t care what your product does; they just want it to address their business issues. Train your reps on how to translate your technology speak into business speak so that it will resonate with your buyers.
  • Provide a documented process supported by compelling sales tools. Do not let your reps figure it out on their own — they do not have the experience. Help them be successful by giving them a road map they can customize to accommodate their style. Among other things, these road maps should detail best practices and also provide them with voice mail and email templates that deliver a consistent and compelling message.
  • Provide coaching. Managers are stretched thin in today’s market and what has fallen by the wayside is good old-fashioned coaching.

5. In your experience, what are the reasons a lead-qualification organization fails?

  • Unrealistic expectations: LGRs deliver your value proposition to the market. If you have targeted the wrong prospects or your message doesn’t resonate, all the dialing in the world will not change the outcome.
  • The wrong strategy: There are many ways to implement a successful lead-generation strategy. Don’t just take what you did at your last company and implement it again. You have to customize your sales and marketing strategy based on your unique market and solution. There is not a one size fits all model.
  • Compensation out of alignment with goals: Compensation drives behavior. Clearly define your goals, build the process and tools to achieve them, coach and train the reps and then pay them for what they have control over.

6. When running a lead-qualification organization, what are some of the key metrics one should be paying attention to?

  • Hiring metrics: Attrition rate, time to ramp, tenure, etc.
  • Activity metrics: Calls, connects, emails, responses, number of touches to convert suspects to prospects, etc.
  • Results metrics: Leads converted to pipeline, leads that stay in pipeline, overall pipeline contribution, leads that turn into revenue, overall revenue contribution.

7. Per my earlier thought leadership interviews, what do you hope for in B2B sales and marketing for the new year?

Vanilla marketing and vanilla sales strategies won’t work anymore. You have to be in-tune with how your buyers uncover information about you and how you communicate effectively with them. The “human touch” in lead generation is so important but to be successful you have to integrate that touch with the three or four others that you need to make to turn a suspect into a prospect. Content is king — your inbound marketing strategy needs to be cutting edge and you need to do an intelligent job of combining delivery of content with touches by your lead-generation group.

Thanks for asking and thanks for listening!

Craig Rosenberg is the Funnelholic. He loves sales, marketing, and things that drive revenue. Follow him on Google+ or Twitter

B2B buying has changed forever — Adapt or pay the price

The “B2B buyer has changed forever”.  I love it, I didn’t come up with it, it was actually Jon Miller.  It’s so powerful and so real right now.  The b2b buyer’s behavior is in the midst of a major change and b2b vendors need to listen.  This isn’t just about elongating sales cycles (which is happening, big time), but how buyers buy, that is, how they research, compare vendors, shortlist, and make the decisions.  There are a number of contributing factors such as the role of the internet, but one is the most obvious and the most influential: the recession.  Selling is harder than ever, and organizations need to listen and understand their buyer to compete.

That’s why I love the upcoming tele-seminar: Buyer Behavior in a Recession. Two of the smartest guys I know, Scott Albro, CEO of my company Tippit, and Jon Miller, VP of Marketing from Marketo, tackle this crucial and complex topic.  This tele-seminar should be valuable not only because of the topic but because there will be the ability to ask questions via Twitter and Facebook before, during, and after the session creating an open communication platform.  Also, Scott, is not just going to present the changes but talk proactively about solutions.  I can tell you, this will be good.

Click here to register and join the fun.

Craig Rosenberg is the Funnelholic. He loves sales, marketing, and things that drive revenue. Follow him on Google+ or Twitter

An Oldie but Goodie: Turning the ‘Out of Office’ Reply Into Contact Gold

I thought I’d put social media aside for a minute and move back into some real hard-core lead generation.

I was reminded today of one of the oldest tricks in the book for outbound calling: The “Out-of-office” reply. This is a very simple trick: When you know someone is out of the office, always call and email.  What you get is the following:

  1. Voice mail: “Hi, this is … . I am out of the office until … . For immediate assistance, please call John Doe at XXX-XXXX.” Boom, you have a new contact in that department. Yes, for higher level contacts you get the admin, but for functional contacts, you got yourself another person to call.
  2. Email: If you check out the sample below, you can see that an out of office reply can be contact gold. Although that contact will never email you back when you return to the office, you get a reply. The result is:
  • You typically get a list of contacts and their contact information. These people always work directly with your contact and will be useful as you navigate the account.
  • You get a direct phone number and/or other contact information from their signature.

Simple, yet daring….

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Twitter Friday: I can’t be stopped, I can only be contained

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I promised to jump off the Social Media/Twitter bandwagon but can’t.  Since I have been writing about these topics, there have been some interesting links sent in:

1.  One way for Twitter to get money:  Venture Capitalists.  Looks like Twitter raised $35 mill from Peter Fenton from Benchmark and Todd Chaffee from Institutional Venture Partners.

2.  The Age Breakdown of Social Media: Thanks to @ahawthorne, got this article from minaonline on social media/micro-blogging stats.  Some interesting stats:

Median ages on social network sites:

3.  Twitter Revenue Models:  After I wrote my latest post with tidbits on how Twitter has no revenue model, someone sent me the Silicon Alley revenue model for Twitter.  The winner was an ad agency.  Look, even if it doesn’t work, it’s fun…more opinion on it later.

4.  Twitter is worth $200-$250 million(allegedly) — Sent by @psogleHere is the article….

Social media Friday

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Funnelholic interviewed on Digital Body Language Blog

I sat down for an interview recently with Steve Woods, author of Digital Body Language blog and CTO of Eloqua.  He is brilliant so his questions were really challenging and initiated alot of post-interview thought on the topic.  In particular, he asked initially some really big questions about social media which started my recent spat of posts on the topic: Fear of a Twitter Planet and Bull Market on Users, Bear Market on Revenue.  I hope you enjoy the interview, I think it has some commentary in there that spurs discussion.  The Digital Body Language blog is really good with some takes on b2b marketing not seen in the b2b blogosphere today.

Read the interview here: Funnelholic interviewed on Digital Body Language blog.

Craig Rosenberg is the Funnelholic. He loves sales, marketing, and things that drive revenue. Follow him on Google+ or Twitter

Social Media: Bull Market on Users, Bear Market on Revenue

I need to get off the social media stump soon, but it’s the one topic of conversation I keep having with people and it’s on my mind.

The statistics for the social media market are staggering. Social media sites are attracting visitors like mad with minimal amounts of effort.

Here are some numbers to consider (thanks to Nateonk):

1. Facebook is growing by 600,000 to 700,000 users per DAY.  The site has 150 million registered users today and is obviously growing.

2. Twitter has 6 million users. I love this statistic: 11 percent of Internet users are on Twitter.

3. LinkedIn, the professional social-networking site, has over 35 million users.

I have said this a number of times, but there is a whole generation of people who are turning on their computers, opening their social-media application first, leaving it on and living their Internet day in the application.  Just last night I was out with a bunch of social-media loving twenty-somethings, PSOGLE and Meadball. Somehow, I ended up arguing against the power of Facebook and Twitter with these young guys. But they were confirming the points I make every day: social media is incredibly relevant as more and more people manage their Internet experience out of these applications. I don’t have the statistics, but I honestly believe no one under the age of 27 has a @yahoo email address or goes to Yahoo! or MSN. They use Facebook and have GMail.  They are “doing the Internet” differently than my generation, and it’s all about social media. It seems like my peers are more likely to live on LinkedIn and Twitter.

So, you would think that this would translate into an entirely new paradigm for Internet-revenue generation, but it doesn’t. The revenue generated from these social media sites just does not come close to their popularity. Everyone tells me not to read Valleywag, but I do and do so religiously. Anyway, they had a post on Facebook’s inability to  generate revenue commensurate with their enormous number of users. Do the math and you realize social media might be headed for trouble:

1. Facebook is trying desperately to justify the $3.7 billion dollar valuation and failing.

2. Twitter just has to get bought; I can’t see anyway out for them. They’re going with the old-school Web site model — building traffic now and figuring out the rest later. There have been a lot of posts on how Twitter can make money and none have resonated with me.

3. I have hope for LinkedIn, but I am not hearing much about their revenue.

The net-net: I was asked by Steven Woods from Eloqua: Can social media scale? According to him, the market is growing and frankly starting to dominate, but won’t scale without revenue.

Stay tuned.

Craig Rosenberg is the Funnelholic. He loves sales, marketing, and things that drive revenue. Follow him on Google+ or Twitter

Thought Leadership Interview #9: 2009 Buzzword Courtesy of Denny Head: The Lead Refinery

I worked with Denny Head at Avaya Inc., where he built and managed what he calls the “lead refinery process.”  The process generated over $1.6 billion in sales qualified leads. Impressive, no? Now Head is working as consultant for eDemand Leads Consulting LLC, helping clients build a refinery of their own.

I, for one, believe in Head’s refinery for a lot of reasons, but the main thing to remember is this: the ultimate mix for lead management is both phone AND marketing automation.  One approach is better than nothing, but mixing the two together is extremely potent. Head understands that technology alone will not solve the problem — it must be coupled with proven processes from everything ranging from the demand campaign to closed loop reporting.

Industry analyst estimate that 80 percent of marketing leads are wasted due to poor quality and the inability to get leads to the right salesperson at the right time. Head combines sales and marketing experience in the high tech industry to provide the unique view of quality leads from the sales perspective.

Here’s what he offered up to The Funnelholic:

1.    What are the three trends you see emerging in 2009?

The most important thing to remember now is that we’re in a bad economy and marketing budgets are getting cut. So instead of trends emerging, keep this in mind:

  • Leads that result in real pipeline and revenue are more important than ever. Companies are trying to fix their lead systems to avoid 80 percent of the demand gen dollars going to waste.
  • The key to a productive lead system is making sure that the leads meet the quality standards of your sales channels. They customers don’t like or don’t use your leads, your program is wasted.
  • Lead programs must take a holistic approach to viewing the entire lead process from the initial marketing inquiry creation to the final closed-loop lead-management process.  This includes:
  1. Generating demand from both internal multimodal campaigns and external data sources that can deliver high quality leads.
  2. A quality MDB with ongoing hygiene processes.
  3. Automated lead management including scoring and lead nurturing.
  4. A lead-qualification process that delivers leads to the sales force.
  5. Automated lead-management processes routing customers to the right sales rep at the right time.
  6. A lead-management process that holds marketing and sales accountable for closed-loop results.

2.       What are the biggest challenges for 2009?

  • Delivering and documenting an acceptable ROI (return on investment) on your marketing spend. Too many marketing programs are just PowerPoint activities and don’t deliver the goods  As times get tougher there is more pressure from  sales and marketing leadership to “save the quarter.”  With longer sales cycles and customers’ hesitation to spend, you cannot save the quarter.  You need to invest in long-term, sound practices that generate leads on a consistent and sustainable basis month in and month out. There are no magic bullets that will save the quarter.
  • Also, knowing which marketing investment has the best ROI, and how you can measure it will be challenging. Are you shifting your money to the best lead sources or just doing the same thing over and over?

3.       What are three metrics that B2B marketers should care about and why?

  • Measure the right thing — i.e., the pipeline and not lead volume. It’s only what sales does with your leads that counts.  Ten thousand junk leads are still junk.
  • Know your lead-conversion rates from your lead sources. Find out which ones have the highest conversion rates into MQL.
  • Cost per lead is the cost of the lead inquiry plus the cost of qualification into an MQL. When you look at all of your lead sources under this method, it becomes very clear which ones have the best payoff and ROI.  Invest in quality.

4.      What are the top oversights marketers are making regarding lead generation?

See my previous answer.

5.       What will you prescribe to marketers to carry out effective lead generation?

  • Measure quality of leads, not quantity.
  • Focus on conversion rates of lead sources.

6.       What three Web 2.0 applications, cutting-edge technologies or lead generation sources do marketers HAVE to consider to be successful?

  • Untraditional lead sources (like Tippit Inc. and Harte-Hanks Inc.)
  • Lead scoring of online behavior
  • Automated nurturing work flow

7.       What do you hope for in B2B sales and marketing for the new year?

A new client every quarter.

Craig Rosenberg is the Funnelholic. He loves sales, marketing, and things that drive revenue. Follow him on Google+ or Twitter

Fear of a Twitter Planet: The 11 Things I Know about the Twitter Phenomenon

Is there anything hotter to blog about than Twitter?  I have been off the word processor for the whole month of January as the Funnelholic was dominated with thought leadership interviews and now, here I am, and the only thing on my mind is Twitter.

I started on Twitter as most do, just signing up and not understanding what it is or what to do.  Everyone said I HAD to get on there, so I did.  Months later, Guy Kawasaki writes his now heavily read “Looking for Mr. Goodtweet,“  I did every tip on his list,  and the rest is history.

Now I have more than 1,000 followers, tweetdeck loaded on my desktop, a healthy addiction to Twitter, and no clue what Twitter is or will become.  I went out to coffee with Steve Woods from Eloqua (by the way, one of the smarter dudes on the planet), and he asked me where I thought Twitter was going.  Anyone who acquainted with me knows I have an opinion on everything, yet I was stumped.  Truth is, if I could come up with the breakthrough treatise on Twitter, I would be “internet-fabulous.”  Regardless, I still haven’t had my epiphany – particularly with regards to how Twitter will affect b2b marketing/lead generation.  I have ideas brewing, but nothing where I feel like I could win an argument.

What I do know is that:

  1. I have no idea how Twitter will make money. This is a classic internet “build it, run away with traffic and figure out what to monetize it later” stories. I am pretty sure the only way for Twitter to make money is to sell this pig.
  2. When it is sold, we will all move on. And in classic internet form, Yahoo! or AOL will buy it for too much money, and we will go somewhere else.
  3. All I can think about with Twitter is the dancing baby. Yep, that’s right.  Remember the days of the “cc:-all”?  The cc:-all was the original viral medium – dancing babies, bad jokes, urban myths and so on. Those large cc: lists thankfully turned to bcc: lists.  Now when you get something you want to pass on, you post that thing on your Twitter or Facebook to let it fly.  Twitter has effectively killed the “bcc:”
  4. I can find a lot of information I had no access to before. Twitter means information. Twitterati are constantly trying to tweet fun, funny, provocative, obscure, interesting or up-to-date tweets.  Forget Google Reader – I go to my Tweet Deck to find articles to read.
  5. It’s hard to manage all the tweets. I have so many people I am following that I am pretty sure I miss thousands of posts for each one I read.  I know people are building apps to manage this issue, but that still means you will miss tons of tweets, but you will see the ones you really want to.
  6. “I ate a piece of pizza” is stupid. Please stop tweeting insignificant events in your life just to tweet. Pleeeeease.
  7. Twitter has created a new internet lexicon. Twitter has created new terms like “tweeps,” “twitterati” and “tweet.”  And Twitter lexicon works in creating fun titles and subject lines –  e.g., above and “Looking for Mr. Goodtweet.”
  8. Twitter’s look and feel is so Geocities. The interface is so basic and crude, and people don’t care.  That is cool
  9. Promoting works. I have a friend who just launched his Web site Best Life Practices.  In the old days, you pass it on to your friends, try to get some links, build your reputations … yawn.  Instead, I sent him Guy’s article, got myself and a buddy to tweet it and boom: retweets, visitors, positive comments.  He is now building a big list of followers, and his Web site has LAUNCHED.
  10. B2b lead generation does not work. More on this in another post, but I remain skeptical about whether you can drive direct leads from Twitter or others.  Key phrase: Direct lead generation.
  11. Nothing will be the same. Twitter and social media is changing the way games are played on the Internet, and while I don’t know what’s next, I do know that things are different.

Ok, I have now entered the “blogging about Twitter” sweepstakes.

Craig Rosenberg is the Funnelholic. He loves sales, marketing, and things that drive revenue. Follow him on Google+ or Twitter